Joe Rogan voiced ‘genuine fear’ after hearing whistleblower claims that the US military has mastered ‘alien‘ anti-gravity technology.
The celebrity podcaster was joined by investigative journalist Michael Shellenberger, who said he has spoken to insiders with ‘direct evidence’ about the Pentagon’s long-rumored UFO ‘crash retrieval’ and ‘reverse engineering’ programs.
A staple of UFO lore dating back to the Roswell crash of 1947, these alleged efforts to reproduce the propulsion system of an alleged extraterrestrial spacecraft have long been linked to the US Air Force’s 70-year effort to crack ‘anti-gravity’ power.
Faced with his guests’ claims, Rogan worried aloud about the potential ramifications, or what would happen if such Earth-shattering revelations were confirmed publicly.
‘Society collapses because we’re faced with [the] illusion anyone of human race is in control,’ Rogan opined, ‘in the face of this overwhelming force from another planet.’
On Rogan’s broadcast Wednesday, Shellenberger divulged that a few of his sources claim to have ‘direct evidence’ that America has covertly ‘mastered anti-gravity.’
But Shellenberger — who is also an academic and a two-time candidate for California governor — also noted that he, himself, found the very notion of man-made anti-gravity propulsion hard to believe.
‘I’m a little skeptical that we’ve mastered anti-gravity, because that would just be so game-changing,’ he told Rogan. ‘I think it would take a huge amount of effort.’
‘On the other hand, I have interviewed people who are not comfortable coming forward yet that say that we have,’ the independent journalist confessed, ‘and claim direct evidence of that.’
‘These are folks that want stronger whistleblower protections to be able to come forward,’ Shellenberger emphasized.
Luis Elizondo, the former Pentagon counterintelligence official who has made a name for himself as an ‘on the record’ UFO whistleblower, has also spoken out recently claiming that the UFOs seen by military witnesses deploy anti-gravity tech.
In his new memoir, Imminent: Inside the Pentagon’s Hunt for UFOs, Elizondo specifically cited the Gimabl UFO video caught on infrared by Navy pilots of the Eastern seaboard in 2015.
‘The GIMBAL was a great, glittering mystery,’ Elizondo writes in his memoir. ‘It was clearly an antigravity device.’
The object’s heat signature, lack of flight surfaces, distance from shore and its odd, non-aerodynamic movements, in his view, were all dead giveaways.
‘Imagine you were able to enclose your aircraft in a bubble that renders it immune from the effects of gravity,’ as he explained the physics implications.
‘The way we experience time on Earth would no longer be relevant because you would be insulated from Earth’s time and gravity,’ Elizondo wrote.
On Rogan, Shellenberger took pains to distinguish between these long-rumored UFO ‘crash retrieval’ and ‘reverse engineering’ programs and the new, top secret and illegal Pentagon UFO program that he brought to light last week.
Shellenberger went viral after last Tuesday after publishing one of his anonymous whistleblower’s accounts of an alleged UFO data collection program.
That classified UFO data retrieval effort, dubbed ‘Immaculate Constellation,’ was established in 2017 to ‘detect’ and ‘quarantine’ the military’s best UFO imagery, as well as its best videos, witness testimonies and electronic sensor evidence.
His anonymous source alleged that decades of deceptions were now occurring on the issues of non-human intelligence (NHI) and unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP).
The phrases are the broader and more careful terms of art used by experts investigating these incidents, once said to involve ‘aliens’ and ‘flying saucers.’
‘The Executive Branch has been managing UAP/NHI issues without Congressional knowledge, oversight, or authorization for some time, quite possibly decades,’ this anonymous whistleblower wrote in their alleged classified report to Congress.
But few outside US national security circles and cleared legislators on Capitol Hill, have seen this alleged, approximately 20-page report on ‘Immaculate Constellation.’
This Monday night, however, Las Vegas-based KLAS-TV new reporter George Knapp and documentary filmmaker Jeremy Corbell claimed they had read the report.
Corbell said that he is now facing ‘specific and direct and detailed threats’ to his own life for his knowledge of the ‘Immaculate Constellation’ report.
Knapp described he and Corbell’s plans to come forward as ‘our insurance policy.’
The duo told the listeners of their own podcast, Weaponized, that more whistleblower testimony related to ‘Immaculate Constellation’ would surface at new open hearings in Congress this November.
‘We need to have those protections for whistleblowers. They need to pass this disclosure legislation.’ Shellenberger told Rogan on Wednesday.
‘Congress needs to do more,’ the reporter and academic said, hoping such legislation will allow his own sources to go public.
Shellenberger was less worried than Rogan about a possible ‘collapse of rules and society’ that UFO disclosure might bring, but he did not think it was impossible.
‘The problem,’ as he put it, ‘is that there’s so many possibilities of what’s going on.’
For over a year, Congress has fiercely debated the issue of more robust, federally mandated protections for US intelligence and military officials who have direct knowledge of highly classified UFO programs that have been illegally hidden from congressional oversight.
Members of both houses of Congress have expressed frustration over the watered-down nature of the last version of the UFO disclosure amendment signed into law in 2024.
‘We got ripped off. We got completely hosed. They stripped out every part,’ said Representative Tim Burchett, one of the lawmakers who had been in favor the act.
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, who co-sponsored the bill with Republican Senator Mike Rounds, hoped to impanel and independent ‘review board’ with the power to grant ‘witness immunity’ to key sources.
‘The Review Board shall be considered to be an agency of the United States,’ their amendment stated in 2023.
‘Witnesses, close observers, and whistleblowers providing information directly to the Review Board shall also be afforded the protections provided to such persons under section 1673(b) of the James M. Inhofe National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2023.’
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, who sponsored the bill, told The New York Times: ‘It is really an outrage the House didn’t work with us on adopting our proposal for a review board.’
‘It means that declassification of UAP records will be largely up to the same entities that have blocked and obfuscated their disclosure for decades,’ Sen. Schumer said.
Congressional Representative Mike Turner (R-Ohio), Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Ala.), Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Speaker of the House Mike Johnson (R-La.) are said to be among those who pushed back on the bill.
And David Grusch, the former high-ranking intelligence official who testified under oath about his knowledge of a UFO crash retrieval program, also named Rogers and Turner during his own interview on Rogan’s podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience.
Grusch’s accounts, like Shellenberger’s new sources, echo claims made by both Elizondo and Elizondo’s one-time attorney Daniel Sheehan, who handled his own whistleblower complaint against US military officials.
Sheehan told DailyMail.com last year that one alleged recovery, recounted to him by a supposed crash retrieval program insider, involved a 30-foot saucer partially embedded in the earth, causing ‘all kinds of time distortion and space distortion.’
‘He staggered back out [of the saucer] after being in there a couple of minutes,’ Sheehan said, ‘and outside it was four hours later.’
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